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Huginn penis RJ: Kou Ichinomiya CO: Huginn RollbackRequester Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 31 Karma: 11 Joined: Apr 18, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 8, 2013 When I check my company news I see quite a lot of bots active, buying 1-X of a product. Especially the ones buying 1-50 integrated circuits every 15 minutes.Made me wonder: -Should we as a community report such events? -Are these types of bots considered legal? -Is this something we allow just because it is hard to tackle and doesn't give a big edge anyways. I'm mostly curious about the 1st point: Should we and how many of us are willing to report such events and how many of us dislike bot usage overall? ( I assume that if there are enough people who would there will be counter measures ) |
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Hajji Pajji RJ: Trade Merchant CO: VonDutch Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 194 Karma: 8 Joined: Oct 21, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 8, 2013 I'm confused:What can a bot accomplish than me creating a request cannot? |
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 8, 2013 Bots are illegal in every game site I have ever played but this one. The inhuman advantages of bots are obvious and sick. There is considerable discourse in these forums about them. They are probably more responsible for the downturn in player activity than nearly any other dynamic in the game. Scott has shown no interest in curtailing them that I have ever seen. It has created more ill will in this world than anything other than the old market scams. And I am really splitting hairs there. Hajji: Plenty! And at a speed you cannot begin to keep up with. |
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Huginn penis RJ: Kou Ichinomiya CO: Huginn RollbackRequester Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 31 Karma: 11 Joined: Apr 18, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 9, 2013 A request doesn't fill itself right? Someone has to go the the request page and sell it to you. The bot just buys when the product is available on the b2b making it way faster, more reliable and sometimes just silly.(buying 1 product to fill the warehouse) I feel like were back at the bot discussion thread. I just want to know what you guys feel morally about this, and if we should act one way or another against it or leave it be. For me: I feel bots are indeed a way of cheating, which is dislikeable in itself. It makes me feel like I witness someone stealing cigarets in the supermarket: you want to report it to someone who can handle it in silence but you can't. Therefore you continue to wait in line as normal and ignore this ever happened. |
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Hajji Pajji RJ: Trade Merchant CO: VonDutch Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 194 Karma: 8 Joined: Oct 21, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 9, 2013 Well, I'm not qualified to speak for Scott, but I believe he does agree with all of us, but being a one-man show and most likely also having to have a paying job to fund his "hobby" he would rather use his valuable free time to improve the current product elsewhere, and then once it gets to an "acceptable playing level", then start cracking down on cheaters (which we all agree a bot is)Again, just my opinion |
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Mike Barnett RJ: D.Knell CO: Angelo Mysterioso Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 46 Karma: 27 Joined: May 9, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 9, 2013 Bots have killed many a decent game. I just don't get it. I think if detected, the user should be warned once, and deleted on the second offense.
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dan bra RJ: King CO: Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 55 Karma: 12 Joined: Mar 20, 2013 |
Posted on Jun 9, 2013 I would guess a bot would be able buy stuff at any time/just when new goods posted on market, while request can buy only at the end of each tick. huge advantage
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 10, 2013 this game is designed for bots ( massive automation helps a lot ), if you don't like it you should find another game..
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dan bra RJ: King CO: Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 55 Karma: 12 Joined: Mar 20, 2013 |
Posted on Jun 10, 2013 let me get this straight, bots are not illegal??!
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Mike Barnett RJ: D.Knell CO: Angelo Mysterioso Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 46 Karma: 27 Joined: May 9, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 10, 2013 bob, with all due respect, you're the kind of 'player' that ruins games. massive automation helps in everything. it doesn't belong everywhere. i'm not arrogant enough to speak for the game designer, but i doubt if that's what he had in mind. but hey, if shortcuts and borderline cheating work for you, it's ok. everyone should know their limitations.
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 10, 2013 Bob has always been a dipswitch around the bot discussion, and his basic statement isn't even true. Idiots who need bots use them, Scott has (Hajji) always just sort of gone with the flow on it, not seeing how it keeps killing his player base.
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 11, 2013 I asked Scott several times to forbid bots, in PM and in this forum , wasted time since he doesnt give a shit about this issue. For the notice, I never used any bot in this game ( in any other game too ).And yes this game is designed for bots, each time BallC asked a feature to help automation, Scott implemented it. This is especially true for the store. Mike / Brent : stop saying bs... ty |
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Mike Barnett RJ: D.Knell CO: Angelo Mysterioso Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 46 Karma: 27 Joined: May 9, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 11, 2013 I'll stick by what I said. You can call it BS all you want. Bots ruin games. Defenders of bots ruin games. Can I be more clear?Judging the intentions of the person that created the game by random actions, especially given the fact that he goes AWOL from time to time, I'm not sure how much thought he's given it. I'd guess that he never had a thought that started with "I think I'll design this game for bots". |
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 11, 2013 I am not defender of bots, that's even the contrary, so why do you focus on me ?And maybe he doesnt think "I think I'll design this game for bots", but when BallC asked him a new feature, he's smart enough to guess the purpose of it. Like I said above, he doesnt give a shit about bots, there has been tons of complains and it has always been allowed, even if it ruined the game. |
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Mike Barnett RJ: D.Knell CO: Angelo Mysterioso Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 46 Karma: 27 Joined: May 9, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 11, 2013 'this game is designed for bots ( massive automation helps a lot ), if you don't like it you should find another game.. 'when someone tells me to shut up or leave, i tend to focus on them. just a bad habit, i guess. sorry. |
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on Jun 12, 2013 "if you don't like it you should find another game" is facts based. Bots have always been allowed in this game, so if you don't like playing against/with bots, you know what to do...Please note that I would be glad to see new rule about it, but this doesnt change since months/year so I would not expect much change in that direction. |
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