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Suggestion: Eliminate Stock Market
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Aaron Barr RJ: Aaron CO: Aaron Post Rating: 5 + / - Total Posts: 81 Karma: 74 Joined: Apr 13, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 Stock market, great idea, but has been the source of many problems.1: Boring. - A company can IPO for one time cash influx. A company can set dividends for cash outflow. Thats it from a company standpoint, and this game is about companies. From an investor standpoint, you can receive dividends or sell for higher than you purchased. Realistically these both occur at long time intervals, fine for real life, boring for a video game. 2: Exploitable. - Obviously we've seen what can happen with the current system. Tweak the system sure, but there will always be a way unless all equations are eliminated from price. So price would have to be a purely ask/bid system. Liquidity will be a problem at that point. Either live with very low liquidity or eliminate stocks. 3: Unrealistic system. - I think anyone who has experience in the financial markets will agree that current implementations of all the financial records are very flawed. Not to blame the dev, such things are extremely complex and extremely difficult to model. But it is unfortunately also a source of exploits. Theres a reason accountants are paid good money both to report financials for companies and audit the same companies. tl:dr The game has great core mechanics. I love the producing/buying/selling of goods. Introducing a stock market mechanic gives very little added value in exchange for enormous downsides. |
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Richard Ripberger RJ: Rip CO: Rip Post Rating: -14 + / - Total Posts: 153 Karma: 78 Joined: Mar 28, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 Post hidden due to its low rating (click here to show post)
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Andrew Naples RJ: Clemen Salad CO: Clemen Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 214 Karma: 89 Joined: Apr 26, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 +1The reason I play this is because making stuff and sellig it is so addicting. |
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Aaron Barr RJ: Aaron CO: Aaron Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 81 Karma: 74 Joined: Apr 13, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 I agree. And I think that would be an easier solution. You can blur the private/public company philosophy in financial reporting for gameplay purposes. Have a "stock market" for leader board purposes and show off balance sheet/income statements (hopefully fixed) for all the companies. but just don't let players make crazy decisions like "I'll IPO for 8G of free money". Theres too many laws and regulations concerning these activities to really model them, and not exploit them. |
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Victoria Raverna RJ: Victoria Raverna CO: Victoria Raverna Post Rating: -1 + / - Total Posts: 107 Karma: 43 Joined: Apr 11, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 +1
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Marc Laird RJ: MarcAFK Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 18 Karma: 14 Joined: Apr 12, 2012 |
Posted on May 6, 2012 I think a rebalence would be in order, if at the least we removed the robots the market should equalise. When a company issues shares they should literally have to sell them on an open market, if no player wants em there's no money and they can be reissued at a lower price. No more instant cash from issueing, no more robots creating money from nowhere (only retail or exports should do this).It would be a fairer system, Now you may ask, why would someone wish to Buy shares of a company if there aren't robots to spike te price insanely? Dividends would create a genuine reason to buy stocks as well as the value going up on the market over time. Though i think dividends are pai far too often, or we should be able to set smaller dividends, when i first issued 1 cent dividends it almost bankrupted my company cause it had too many shares outstanding. At the very least if robots are actually needed to keep the shar market alive and moving realistically they should be limited to only purchasing a small percentage of stocks to prevent prices from getting out of hand. |
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Urist Esterar RJ: Uristqwerty CO: Uristqwerty Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 5 Karma: 15 Joined: Apr 11, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 I don't know if it would be oversimulating it, but what if the population would only spend up to a certain limit on the stock market, that limit being how much profit they made (if a player buys from them), plus a small percentage (5%?) of all of the money paid by companies in salaries each day.That way, it never creates money on it's own, it only cycles it from other places. |
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David MacIver RJ: DRMacIver CO: David R. MacIver Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 47 Karma: 56 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 I quite enjoy the stock market, but I'd have no trouble with ditching it in the short to medium term. I'd be interested to see the B2B like model for it though.
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 removing completely the stock market would be really a loss for the game interest, imho.If there is no way to make "bot investors" more smarter, let's go for ask/bid system ( why not with auction system ? It's would compensate in some way the lack of liquidity ) |
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Kudaros Cornercutter RJ: Kudaros Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 17 Karma: 19 Joined: Mar 30, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 The stock market was the other thing that made me feel "married" to the game at times (research being the other - queues have eliminated that). I don't want to see it eliminated but it does need careful tweaking. An ask/bid system sounds great. But certainly it should be given careful thought.For the stock market to work effectively on short time scales (as the OP has mentioned) I think an ask/bid system is the way to go. |
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Josh Millard RJ: Tex Corman CO: J. Quaff Arabica Post Rating: 32 + / - Total Posts: 167 Karma: 231 Joined: Apr 3, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 I'd be in favor of chucking the stock market for the time being. I like the idea of it, and a revamped version may work well as an added part of the game, but to date its exploitability has had a hugely disproportionate effect on the player economy. For a game that has manufacture/wholesale/retail as the core of its draw and functionality, a side system that basically explodes all that isn't helping the game be fun for the overall playerbase.
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Lorenzo Petrone RJ: Lohoris Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Joined: May 3, 2012 |
Posted on May 7, 2012 The stock market as it is makes no sense IMHO.No robot-buyers should be involved: if it worked only player2player it could be great. |
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Gamma Alpha RJ: Gammatron CO: Gammatron Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 104 Karma: 62 Joined: Apr 7, 2012 |
Posted on May 8, 2012 yeah, speculating on the stock market in a current form has nothing to do with companies real values.
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John Galt RJ: John Galt CO: John Galt Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 23 Karma: 97 Joined: Apr 6, 2012 |
Posted on May 8, 2012 I agree. Remove it for now. It can be added later when more planning can be put into its workings. Right now, it's a net drain on the game as a whole.
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