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Mister Death RJ: McFlono McFloninoo Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 266 Karma: 300 Joined: Feb 6, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 29, 2012 What is the official position on bots?I'm just asking because a certain company is pretty obviously using bots, at least to buy things on the B2B - about two ticks out of three, exactly 4 minutes past the tick, it purchases small amounts of certain products from me. I'm not morally opposed to them, but at certain times of day it makes so many purchases that my "Company News" screen goes back less than a minute. If this is permissible, could we add an "Older" button to the Company News? |
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Art M RJ: Matrix CO: Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 11 Karma: 13 Joined: Apr 2, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 29, 2012 Ya, i just noticed same thing, was actually wondering this very moment and then saw this thread. It blankets purchase screen with small purchases, distracting from important details.
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Scott (Admin) RJ: Ratan Joyce CO: Ratan Joyce Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 1175 Karma: 5083 Joined: Jan 13, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I'll start examining them soon. I have no issue with bots/macros when you make good quality ones for personal use, but if you make a bad one (in terms of causing spam or too many server requests) and/or start distributing them, that'd be an entirely different story.
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Paul Chambers RJ: ppiixx Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Joined: Apr 3, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I wrote a bot to try and keep my stores stocked from the B2B as that seemed the least fun bit of the game.I would welcome any guidance on acceptable number of server requests to make, right now it does one hit for each store to check the stock levels, one to b2b for each item that is low and then potentially one per item it wants to purchase. Not running it per tick at the moment, once or twice a day should be more than enough once I work out how much of each item to hold. Ofcourse buy orders would remove the need for it entirely :) |
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Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 Interesting thread since I was considering to develop a perl bot to automatize some things but I was wondering if it was allowed or not in the game.
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Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I smell another can of worms being opened.Again, there is a reason so many sites ban them completely. |
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Anna Banana RJ: Sue MacLean CO: Sue MacLean Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 19 Karma: 21 Joined: Mar 31, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I think mostly everything is fair enough as long as nobody can speed up the game clock. That would be outright cheating. :)I'm probably biased. I'm really attached to my greasemonkey scripts just for colour coding and rearranging stuff (<3), so I'm terrified of any rules that might grow into a blanket ban on scripts. |
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Andrew Naples RJ: Clemen Salad CO: Clemen Post Rating: 5 + / - Total Posts: 214 Karma: 89 Joined: Apr 26, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 Anna, I think something purely aesthetic like yours could be fine for the game but having bots automatically buy and sell things really takes away a lot of the point. I mean seriously, half the fun is finding good deals and anticipating things. New people won't even play the game if they see that people are clearly using bots to poopsock it. Also the new production stacking features and others will take away some of the "need" for them. |
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Anna Banana RJ: Sue MacLean CO: Sue MacLean Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 19 Karma: 21 Joined: Mar 31, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 Actually, yeah the only other thing that might get annoying is automated buying. I also think it's irresponsible to poll the server unless you're sitting there hitting F5 yourself, or limiting yourself to something slow. :) That's kind of required for monitoring the B2B, depending on how aggressive the scripts are. If somebody's computer is requesting the B2B list every second for 12 hours straight, that's going to get taken away fast. |
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Cian Kemp RJ: Cian Kemp CO: Cian Kemp Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 183 Karma: 58 Joined: Apr 9, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I'm not too fond of the message spam either. Seeing a massive list of "Soandso bought 7 units of TV from you." is kind of annoying. It's a relief when someone else finally just up and buys the other 5000 just to stop the sales. I don't care when the same company come back 10-15 times a day buying small amounts - I was doing that when I was broke too. I just think 80-100 times a day is a bit much.
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Reiter Hexenmeister RJ: Ritter Hexenmeister Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Joined: Mar 26, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 I planned to make a bot to mantain my spreadsheet updated. As Paul Chambers I wonder if you post acceptable uses and limits for bots. I think if you don't put attention on game, botz don't make great advantage, (usually used for routinary tasks,) but I wait to start programming until Scott veredict.
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David Baril RJ: Your Grandma Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 8 Karma: 18 Joined: Apr 22, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 As a new player, I don't like the idea of using bots. First, it doesn't feel natural. Second, all the players without any programming skills won't be able to compete against the bots' programmers.
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Andrew Naples RJ: Clemen Salad CO: Clemen Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 214 Karma: 89 Joined: Apr 26, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 My main fear is that B2B will become unusable to anyone without bots if they instantly snap up items at certain prices.
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David Baril RJ: Your Grandma Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 8 Karma: 18 Joined: Apr 22, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 Another fear: restocking bots. I know restocking can be a pain in the %?%$$, but that's why we can hire people. This feature will become useless. In the end, I think all the comunnity spirit can suffer from it.
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Control Volume RJ: ControlVolume CO: Control Volume Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 43 Karma: 122 Joined: Mar 31, 2012 |
Posted on Apr 30, 2012 Would it be possible just to group purchases by companies? "So-and-so bought x amounts of y from you today," with the timestamp at the time of the first purchase.
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martin uzz RJ: Martinuzz CO: martinuzz Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 59 Karma: 20 Joined: Apr 16, 2012 |
Posted on May 1, 2012 I just noticed I made a thread on this same subject. While I have never felt tempted to have a try at them myself, I'm not per definition against bots. If the dev says he's fine with bots, that's okay. But there should be rules then, in what a bot is allowed to do, and what would be considered cheaty, or spam. If the dev could think up such a set of rules, that would prevent much debating on bots in the years to come for this forum.
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