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Mister Death RJ: McFlono McFloninoo Post Rating: -1 + / - Total Posts: 266 Karma: 300 Joined: Feb 6, 2012	Posted on May 2, 2012 Sounds reasonable, in that it's going to leave everybody unsatisfied (-: Could you repost that somewhere in your list of rules if it exists somewhere?
Lorenzo Boccaccia RJ: Mon Opoli CO: Mon Opoli Post Rating: 4 + / - Total Posts: 80 Karma: 71 Joined: Apr 10, 2012	Posted on May 2, 2012 Just add a 'lazy restock' which buy as many as in the last three day average of each product, divided by two; see all bot wither and die On a less serious note, if you can't play better than a bot the problem is on your end Bot can't exploit market trends; can't buy larger stock if the price is convenient; can't refrain from buying if a price fixing is going on etc.....
Andrew Naples RJ: Clemen Salad CO: Clemen Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 214 Karma: 89 Joined: Apr 26, 2012	Posted on May 2, 2012 You should really just nip this in the bud now. Theres reasons why other games frown on this. Mabye let the people keep what they have now or something but ban new ones.
Lorenzo Boccaccia RJ: Mon Opoli CO: Mon Opoli Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 80 Karma: 71 Joined: Apr 10, 2012	Posted on May 2, 2012 Maybe it's because other game compete on number of click but this game isn't? Again, the only click intensive part where a bot could outperform an human (an average human at least) is stock replenishment.
Josh R RJ: Josh CO: Josh Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 15 Karma: 14 Joined: Apr 3, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 I'm actually interested in developing bots that perform complex planning and decision-making. My eventual goal is to develop a bot that's better at recognizing market trends and patterns than I am, given the limited time that I have to play. For me, writing a bot is a fun way to explore AI and programming techniques that I wouldn't ordinarily use. Regarding interface changes: perhaps you could return a special HTTP status code or header to indicate that a bot is misbehaving and might want to lower its request rate or suspend itself pending review by its owner. My current bot uses an object to manage the EoS session and perform rate-limiting and error-handling for all requests; it would be trivial to add code to handle warnings from the server. Perhaps you could require that bots identify themselves via a special User-Agent string, which would make them easier to regulate.
Lorenzo Boccaccia RJ: Mon Opoli CO: Mon Opoli Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 80 Karma: 71 Joined: Apr 10, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 Nah, just check if a link is there before navigating. Restful is the way here.
Alexia Perdhaer RJ: Alexia Perdhaer Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 100 Karma: 30 Joined: Apr 6, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 The people suggesting banning bots seem to be ignoring a rather glaring question, perhaps because they aren't coders and are just unaware: HOW??? Banning really primitive, not well behaved scripts is easy. But all I have to do is add a stochastic distribution of delays between requests my bot makes. How are you going to detect and ban bots without banning a non-trivial percentage of real players (probably the better players in fact because they play more methodically)? Oh, and thanks Scott for stating the point I was trying to make, but in a much better (and more neutral) way. Sure, ability to code gives one an advantage in this game if you choose to code a web scraper in your downtime -- but, why single that out from among all the other traits, skills & knowledge which can give someone an edge?
Bob Malone RJ: Bob Malone CO: Malone Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 341 Karma: 191 Joined: Apr 17, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 yup, well coded bots are not detectable ( unless they are failing and you cannot anticipate it ).
Derp Aderp RJ: Bertha Van Ation CO: Fancy McPants Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 22 Karma: -4 Joined: Apr 5, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 Indeed, just adding random delays between queries would make a good bot more difficult to detect. It would also be easy to simulate "normal" browsing, by making it randomly go to other parts of the site. As Alexia said, some people are good at math, some are good at economics, some have tons of free time - all advantages in this game. Some can code (like me heh) and that's my edge.
Andrew Naples RJ: Clemen Salad CO: Clemen Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 214 Karma: 89 Joined: Apr 26, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 I'm just a puny microbiologist! :D
rich tamura RJ: Shive Yarbles Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 8 Karma: -500 Joined: Apr 23, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 Scripting is really a metagame.. To be frank, you'll never stop people from doing it, but it will wreck the playing field of the game. it's not just "an advantage", you have most of the formulas, you scrape the data and it becomes battle of the bots.
Scott (Admin) RJ: Ratan Joyce CO: Ratan Joyce Post Rating: 0 + / - Total Posts: 1175 Karma: 5083 Joined: Jan 13, 2012	Posted on May 3, 2012 I don't see it as a problem, anyone who makes bots for they own use will probably quit as soon as they succeed and realize it's not fun anymore. In case they continue to fail... well, there probably won't be an argument if we think they'll continue to fail.
Brent Goode RJ: BB Goode CO: BB Goode Post Rating: 9 + / - Total Posts: 506 Karma: 180 Joined: Apr 5, 2012	Posted on May 4, 2012 I think bots are unfair but not cheating. Ummmm.... So, bots are unfair, but unfair is cool. And cheating is not unfair, it is something else, apparently more subjective, and it is not cool. OK...got it. Ooops, sorry, no I don't.
Lorenzo Boccaccia RJ: Mon Opoli CO: Mon Opoli Post Rating: 1 + / - Total Posts: 80 Karma: 71 Joined: Apr 10, 2012	Posted on May 4, 2012 the research unqueue for profit was cheat mony laundring between company is cheat stock manipulation of the robocitizen was cheat it seems pretty much definited. if you can do it by hand, it can be automated. if you shouldn't do it, it is cheating, both by hand and by bot.
Tolgahan Arıkan RJ: Tolga CO: Tolga Post Rating: 5 + / - Total Posts: 6 Karma: 16 Joined: Apr 23, 2012	Posted on May 5, 2012 It is not that I want to use bots, I enjoy playing the game myself, but I don't understand this "use it but do not share it" thing. Does everyone have to be a programmer? Having no rule about who and how people can use bots and people who's making billions of dollars from stock market out of thin air is making me feel uncomfortable. I know Scott has some rules about playing the game fair and so, but this format doesn't seem to work, as it certainly wouldn't work in real life. I mean, think about that, people would to all sorts of things and try to decide if it's fair or not. Is that better than not having laws? I know alot of people will hate me because of this post but this is what I think and I know that I can leave anytime I want but I've enjoyed playing the game so far and I want to continue enjoying it.

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